مقابلة مع الرئيس جورج بوش من العربية نت
أجرى المقابلة الإعلامي إيلي ناكوزي خلال برنامج "بصراحة
5 تشرين الأول 2007
*استبعد ضرب إيران وقال إنه ليس لديه مرشح لرئاسة لبنان
*بوش "للعربية": لست عدوا للإسلام.. والمتشددون نجحوا في تشويهي
*لست عدوا للإسلام
*لو امتلكت إيران السلاح النووي لدمرت إسرائيل
*ليس لدي مرشح لرئاسة لبنان
حاول الرئيس الأمريكي جورج بوش -في حوار خاص مع قناة العربية- الدفاع عن نفسه ضد الاتهامات التي توجه إليه بأنه معادٍ للإسلام ويسعى إلى هدم أركانه، معترفا بأن انتشار هذه الصورة في العالم الإسلامي عن أمريكا ورئيسها يظهر نجاح القاعدة ومؤيديها في الدعاية ضد الولايات المتحدة، وشدد في هذا السياق على احترامه للإسلام ودعوته المسلمين سنويا لتناول الإفطار بالبيت الأبيض.
من ناحية أخرى استبعد بوش -في الحوار الذي أجراه إيلي ناكوزي خلال برنامج "بصراحة" وبثته "العربية" مساء الجمعة 5-10-2007- توجيه ضربة عسكرية ضد طهران، مؤكدا على تفضيله النهج الدبلوماسي في حل تلك الأزمة.
وقال "قلت بالطبع إن جميع الخيارات مطروحة؛ لكنني تعهدت للشعب الأمريكي بأننا سنعمل على حل المشكلة بالسبل الدبلوماسية". وأضاف "سنعمل بالسبل التي نستطيع من خلالها توضيح أن "إيران" يجب ألا تمتلك المعرفة لصنع سلاح؛ نظرا لما يشكله ذلك من تهديد خطير للسلام في العالم، بالنظر إلى هدفهم المعلن وهو تدمير إسرائيل".
وأبدى بوش تفاؤلا فيما يتعلق باللقاء الدولي للسلام المزمع عقده الشهر المقبل بين الفلسطينيين والإسرائيليين وقال في هذا السياق إن على الجانبين الالتزام بخارطة الطريق. واعتبر أن اللقاء سيكون فرصة مهمة لإجراء مباحثات جدية من أجل التوصل إلى سلام شامل يرتكز على حل الدولتين.
لست عدوا للإسلام
وحول الاتهامات التي توجه إليه بأنه يسعى لتدمير الدين الإسلامي، قال "سمعت هذا الكلام وليس صحيحا. وفي الواقع هذا يظهر أمرين: أن المتشددين قاموا بالدعاية على وجه حسن، واستطاعوا أن ينشروا ما معناه أنها ليست مواجهة بين شعوب مسالمة وإرهابيين، وإنما أمريكا هي التي تكره الإسلام".
وأضاف "قبل كل شيء أنا أؤمن بالله، وأعتقد أن الناس في جميع أنحاء العالم سواء أكانوا مسلمين أو مسيحيين فهم يعبدون إلها واحدا، وهذا ما أؤمن به، والإسلام دين عظيم يبشر بالسلام، ومن يقتلون المدنيين للوصول إلى أهداف سياسية ليسوا متدينين سواء أكان مسيحيا يفجر مبنى فيدراليا في أوكلاهوما أو غير ذلك".
وواصل قائلا "عندما قلت إن لدينا إفطارا رمضانيا هنا في البيت الأبيض قلت نحن ولم أقل أنا؛ مما يعني أنا وزوجتي، وهذه هي المرة السابعة التي أشارك فيها المسلمين في إفطارهم خلال سبع سنوات لي في الحكم، مما أتاح لي فرصة أن أقول لهم (رمضان مبارك)".
ونفى بوش أن يكون رجل حروب كما يصفه الناس، وقال عن ذلك "لا أبدا، ما أخذناه من قرارات كان من أجل تحقيق السلام. وآخر شيء أتمناه أن أكون رئيسا خلال حرب ما".
وأعاد الرئيس الأمريكي التأكيد على موقفه السابق بأنه قام بحرب العراق "لعلاقة النظام العراقي بالإرهابيين، وكذلك بإنفاقه المال على التسلح بسلاح الدمار الشامل. ولم نعثر على هذه الأسلحة لكنه بالتأكيد كان يسعى من أجلها ومع الوقت سيطورها والشرق الأوسط لا يحتاج سباق تسلح نووي".
وقال إنه "لم يوافق على فكرة تقسيم العراق، وإن أي رئيس قادم للولايات المتحدة لن يوافق عليها. وقال إن النجاح في العراق كان مذهلا لتخلص العراقيين من حكم طاغية، كما وضعوا دستورا حديثا، وهناك حكومة تأخذ على عاتقها مسؤوليات الحكم، ولكن هناك المزيد الذي يجب أن نقوم به لكن أكبر مشكلة الآن هي قتل المدنيين، وعلينا أن نمنع قتل هؤلاء المدنيين"، وأشار في هذا المجال إلى أنه يدعم بقوة رئيس الوزراء العراقي نوري المالكي كما يدعم رئيس العراق ونوابه.
لو امتلكت إيران السلاح النووي لدمرت إسرائيل
وبخصوص إيران قال إن أكبر المخاطر على العالم إذا امتلكت إيران السلاح النووي؛ فهذا يعطيهم الفرصة لتدمير إسرائيل.
وأضاف "كل الخيارات الآن على الطاولة؛ ولكني تعهدت للشعب الأمريكي بأني سأعمل ديبلوماسيا لحل هذه الأزمة. ونحن الآن في الأمم المتحدة مع الأوروبيين وروسيا والصين نرسل رسالة واضحة لهم، وهي الاستمرار في فرض العقوبات عليهم، وسنفرض عقوبات أكثر قساوة حتى يغيروا سياستهم. إذا أوقفوا برنامجهم النووي سوف نفاوضهم".
ووصف التقارير الإعلامية التي تحدثت عن إعطائه أوامر للجيش بضرب إيران هذا العام بأنه "دعاية إعلامية فارغة. وهناك الكثير من الشائعات التي تسعى لإخافة الناس مني شخصيا أو من بلادي".
ليس لدي مرشح لرئاسة لبنان
وبخصوص لبنان فيما إذا كان لديه مرشح مفضل لرئاسة الجهورية، قال "لا أبدا. وأخبرت بذلك النائب سعد الحريري خلال زيارته واشنطن. لدي رغبة كبيرة في إنجاح العملية الديمقراطية في لبنان، وأنا قلق من التدخل الأجنبي في الانتخابات الرئاسية، وأنه يدعم الإسراع بالمحكمة الدولية لتظهر الحقيقة وتتم محاكمة قتلة رفيق الحريري".
وأضاف "أخبرت سعد الحريري بأنني أرسلت أفضل العسكريين إلى لبنان لتحديث الجيش هناك، ولا زال هناك تفوذ واضح لسوريا في لبنان وهذا لا يساعد أبدا، وأوضحنا لحكومة الأسد أننا لا نرحب بهذا".
وفيما يتعلق بالوضع الفلسطيني، قال إنه ليس فقط لديه رغبة في دولتين فلسطينية وإسرائيلية، وإنما هذا ممكن من خلال قيام الدولتين. وتحدث عن المؤتمر الدولي للسلام في الولايات المتحدة والذي ستشارك فيه لجنة من الجامعة العربية والأطراف المهتمة بهذا الملف. وتحدث عن سعيه لدعم الأجهزة الأمنية الفلسطينية والاقتصاد الفلسطيني.
لمطالعة النص الكامل للحوار الذي أجراه الزميل إيلي ناكوزي مع الرئيس الأمريكي جورج بوش، ضمن برنامج "بصراحة" باللغة الإنجليزية، يرجى زيارة موقع "العربية.نت" باللغة الإنجليزية على الرابط التالي:
In an exclusive interview with AlArabiya TV
Bush denies he is an "enemy of Islam"
Bush discusses core issues plaguing the
President George W. Bush spoke exclusively to AlArabiya television on Friday and tried to defend himself against the widely believed view in the Islamic world that he is an "enemy of Islam."
In the White House interview, AlArabiya anchor Ellie Nakozi asked Bush if the views in the Islamic world, that he is an enemy of Islam and wants to destroy the religion, were in anyway true.
"No, it's not… it just shows a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good job of propagandizing," he replied.
"We are having an Iftar dinner tonight. This is the seventh one in the seven years I've been the President. It gives me a chance to say "Ramadan Mubarak"… the reason I do this is I want people to understand about my country… that one of the great freedoms in America is the right for people to worship any way they see fit," Bush said
The interview comes as the Bush administration is failing
miserably in the Iraqi quagmire, the Israelis and Palestinians are in peace
The hour-long interview tackled the core issues
Bush vowed to work on a diplomatic solution to the
Bush denied reports in the Arabic media that the he had
issued orders to prepare for a major strike on
"I, of course, said all options are on the table, but I made a pledge to the American people we will work diplomatically to solve the problem," he said.
Israelis and Palestinians are in deep discussions over the
framework of the issues to be discussed at a U.S.-sponsored conference due to
take place in
Bush said he was "very optimistic that we can achieve a two-state solution."
"We're hosting an international conference that will be attended by interested parties and ... a committee from the Arab League. It is an opportunity for serious, substantive discussions about the way forward and a two-state solution," Bush said.
Speaking of Lebanon Bush expressed his "deep desire to help the Lebanese democracy succeed" adding he was "deeply concerned about foreign interference… (and) that neighboring countries will try to create instability so that this democracy doesn't succeed."
"There's just too many parliamentarians who are trying to work for a peaceful Lebanon being assassinated. And we need to know who is doing that assassinations," he said.
AlArabiya interviews President Bush, the full interview:
Q- Mr. President, it's nice to see you. It's nice to meet you. And how are you doing?
THE PRESIDENT: Welcome. Come on in the Oval Office. I'm doing great. Thank you. I welcome you here. And I thank you for the opportunity to talk to you about some of the decisions that I have made right here in this Oval Office. I'm honored you've come.
Q - Actually, I want to tell the people of the
THE PRESIDENT: No, it's the hardest decision a President can make. And when I campaigned for office I never really thought about the decision to put men and women in harm's way. I never thought that that would happen. Circumstances changed, of course, and I had to make some very difficult decisions about how to protect our homeland and take action necessary to -- the actions that I think will yield the peace.
And so whether it be in
Anyway, this is the room where I make the decisions.
Q- But would these moments -- I mean, these emotional moments,
would they make you reconsider or rethink about what's going on in our area now
THE PRESIDENT: Not really. As a matter of fact, I leave
most of the meetings reassured that the loved one, in this case, fully
understanding what we were doing. See, I believe that, one, it's noble to
liberate 25 million people from a tyrant; two, that we cannot allow
And so I leave those meetings saddened by the fact that a person has pain in her heart -- and yesterday she had pain in her heart -- but encouraged by the fact that her son died for a noble cause and a necessary cause. And that's exactly what she told me.
Q- Actually, I want to thank you again, Mr. President, for giving us the opportunity to talk for the first time to the Arab world, to address them with the big concerns. I know we have a great deal of questions. I know you have a very tight schedule.
THE PRESIDENT: Sure, I want to show you the Rose Garden, one of the most famous areas.
Q- It's a great chance for me. I heard, Mr. President, also that you are receiving an Iftar.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I am.
Q- In the White House, which is, of course, a Muslim ritual
THE PRESIDENT: It is.
Q- But I want to tell you -- and I hope this doesn't bother you at all -- that in the Islamic world they think that President Bush is an enemy of Islam --
THE PRESIDENT: Sure.
Q- That he wants to destroy their religion, what they believe in. Is that in any way true, Mr. President?
THE PRESIDENT: No, it's not. I've heard that, and it just
shows [sic] to show a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good
job of propagandizing. In other words, they've spread the word that this really
isn't peaceful people versus radical people or terrorists; this is really about
Well, first of all, I believe in an almighty God, and I
believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other
religion, prays to the same God. That's what I believe. I believe that Islam is
a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the
innocent to achieve political objectives aren't religious people, whether they
be a Christian who does that -- we had a person blow up our -- blow up a
federal building in
THE PRESIDENT: And I just simply don't subscribe to the
idea that murdering innocent men, women and children -- particularly Muslim
men, women and children in the
We are having an Iftar dinner tonight -- I say,
"we" -- it's my wife and I. This is the seventh one in the seven
years I've been the President. It gives me a chance to say "Ramadan
Mubarak." The reason I do this is I want people to understand about my
country. In other words, I hope this message gets out of
And the value -- the most valuable thing I think about
Secondly, I want American citizens to see me hosting an Iftar dinner.
Q- That's a strong message for the Americans.
THE PRESIDENT: It is a strong message. I want to remind your listeners that one of the first things I did after September the 11th is I went to the local mosque. And I did because I wanted to send a message that those who came to kill Americans were young terrorists, and they do not reflect the views of the vast majority of peaceful people in the Middle East; and that our -- precisely the message I was trying to send, the war is not a struggle against Muslims, the Muslim religion, it is a struggle of honorable, peaceful people throughout the world against the few who want to impose their vision.
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Q- Actually, Mr. President, we are talking about these terrorists and what's going on in the world right now. Are you also a man of war, as some try to describe, President Bush?
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, no, no, I believe the actions we have taken will make it more likely peace happens. I dream it will be -- the last thing I want to be is a President during war. Now, remember, we got attacked. And I responded, after careful deliberation, in an attempt to make sure that -- with a strategy of protecting ourselves. We can't allow these people that attacked us to have safe haven. We must not give them an opportunity to strike us again. And therefore it's important to keep the pressure on.
On the other hand, the ultimate way for peace is for
people to realize the great blessings of liberty. And what's interesting, and
what has taken place ought to be hopeful to people in the
There are some universal aspects to liberty. One, people can vote, people can express their opinion, people can be in a free press, people ought to be allowed to go to the town square and protest against their government without fear of reprisal. And when given that opportunity, 12 million Iraqis went to the polls.
Q- So, excuse me, Mr. President, what you're trying to say is sometimes a decision of war -- you have to take a decision of war in order to achieve peace.
THE PRESIDENT: That's exactly right.
Q- And that's what happened in
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, yes. I was very concerned
about the dictator in
Q- Yes, we're going to discuss this.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, this guy doesn't -- the man, Saddam
Hussein, had capability -- but remember, there's also a human condition. I
believe in human rights. I believe every life has value -- whether it be an
American life or a life of a person in the
Q- But it didn't.
THE PRESIDENT: It did not work. So the choice was his, not
mine. He had the choice as to whether or not this issue would be resolved
peacefully. See, that's the interesting thing that has been turned around. And
so I don't regret the decision. As a matter of fact, I feel it was the right
decision to this day. And now the question is will
Q- And here, Mr. President, I would love to ask, I mean,
for the Iraqis now, they know and they keep on listening to the news. Sometimes
we tell them we want to withdraw the troops. And now we're talking about the
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it is.
Q- I know you refused this. You want the unity of
THE PRESIDENT: I don't think it will happen. I don't think it's going to happen.
Q- How do you guarantee?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, an American President
must understand that
So our step one was to help them secure their
neighborhoods -- and it's working -- and make sure these radicals, such as
al-Qaeda and some of these Shiite groups, many of whom -- which are criminal,
aren't able to have their way with this society. And now we'll work toward
helping these folks have the important discussion about what should be the role
And it's going to be very hard for an American President or any other outside country to dictate to the Iraqis, here's what your government must look like, because the Iraqis will show over time that they're capable of making these decisions themselves, and they are making hard decisions right now, by the way.
Q- I know that your message, your deep message was -- to
the Arab world -- was democracy, freedom, human rights. And you've said too
many times that the first message is democracy, is that you have rights, you
people of the
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, no. I strongly believe in the freedom movement. It's ingrained in my soul. It comes from my belief that freedom is universal. And I believe freedom is ingrained in everybody's soul and if just given a chance, they'll reach for it.
And so security is really a step, an important step, in
the freedom movement. You can't make the decisions if you're worried about
getting blown up. And what the enemy wants to do, the enemy of a free
Not every freedom movement requires military action. But
freedom movement does require
And so the freedom movement is the front and center of our foreign policy, because I understand that the peace that we want -- listen, we all want peace, except for those who are trying --
Q- "Except for those," exactly.
THE PRESIDENT: But peace will succeed, as more and more people become free.
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Q- (All following questions as translated.) Mr. President, we have moved from the Oval Office to the beautiful garden, and here I would like to ask you question that go through the minds of the Arab world. Our world is going through very difficult days.
Let me start with what people expect of me, which is
THE PRESIDENT: I have made the commitment that I would
continue to work with the world to speak with one voice to the Iranians, to the
Iranian government, that we will work in ways that we can to make it clear to
you that you should not have the know-how on how to make a weapon, because one
of the great threats to peace and the world would be if Iranians showed up with
a nuclear weapon. It would give them an opportunity to blackmail or threaten or
possibly follow through with their stated objective, which is the destruction
I, of course, said all options are on the table, but I
made a pledge to the American people we will work diplomatically to solve the
problem. And that's why you see us at the United Nations working with the EU
I've also spoken to the Iranian people. And I want to make
it clear to the people of Iran that the United States respects Iran, respects
the people, respects the proud tradition, and that the government of Iran has
taken decisions that make it harder for them to live their lives. It's the
decisions of the government of
Q- But Mr. President, is there a redline, either a timeline or redline -- I hear from analysts that Iran wants today, or at least trying today to buy time in order for you to wait -- to lose the time that you can make a big decision, such as going to war. In your judgment, is there a timetable, is there a ceiling that if negotiations fail, a decision to go to war would be made?
THE PRESIDENT: The Iranian regime must understand that I'm
dedicated to the proposition that they should not continue their desire to
enrich, as will be people that follow me in office. There is universal concern
about Iranian ambition here in
Q- This issue, before I move to Iraq, which also, a lot of Iraqis are waiting for this -- is there -- there are some leaking to the press, and particularly the Arabic press, is it true that you have issued orders, Mr. President, to your senior generals in the American military to prepare for a major and precise strike that could happen during the end of January or February?
THE PRESIDENT: I would call that empty propaganda. Evidently there's a lot of gossip in parts of the country -- world that try to scare people about me, personally, or my country, or what we stand for. And that kind of gossip is just what it is -- it's gossip, it's baseless gossip.
Q- Mr. President, we have talked about
THE PRESIDENT: I think, first of all, the successes in
There is still work to be done, no question about it. But
the biggest problem facing
For example, what I find appalling is that al-Qaeda bombed a holy site, a Muslim holy site; that there have been bombs in markets where innocent people are shopping and young children get destroyed by Muslim -- people who profess to be Muslims. Their hearts are so hardened that they're willing to kill innocent people.
And so the task is to deny these people their ability to
blow up the innocent. And that's exactly what's happening because of Iraqi
bravery and Iraqi forces, and a commitment by the government to deal with
murderers. See, I believe murderers murder, and it doesn't matter whether
you're a Shiite murderer or a Sunni murderer or a Christian murderer, you're a
murderer. And the role of a state is to protect the innocent people from those
murderers. And that's what you're seeing taking place in
But people shouldn't be surprised that it's not instant
democracy. First of all, the leaders never have had any practice with
democracy, and they're learning to get along after years of tension and
resentment. I support Prime Minister Maliki strongly, and I support the
presidency council strongly. I just had President Talabani in to the Oval
Office the other day. And the reason I do is because -- I look for courage and
commitment. And these leaders are courageous men, and they're committed to a
Q- Mr. President, so the words that were said attributing to the White House or the American position about disappointment in Prime Minister Maliki is not true, you are not disappointed in Prime Minister Maliki and this Iraqi government yet?
THE PRESIDENT: I strongly support Prime Minister Maliki. Again, there's a lot of gossip here, as well as overseas. One of the jobs that I have to continue to do is constantly repeat what -- the position of my government. And the position of my government is that Prime Minister Maliki is a good man who is working hard, and we strongly support him.
But it's not just Prime Minister Maliki that we support.
We also support President Talabani or Vice President al-Mahdi or Vice President
Hashimi. We support those who are committed to peace and committed to the
welfare of the Iraqi people. And we support those who are willing to take on
these extremists, the few who are murdering innocent people in order to create
chaos and confusion inside of
The Iraqis have been through a lot of bloodshed and violence. And yet they're still strong in their desire to achieve -- the Iraqis will be successful.
Q- Mr. President, let's move to
THE PRESIDENT: No, I have no specific candidate, and I told that to Saad Hariri. I have a deep desire to help the Lebanese democracy succeed. I am deeply concerned about foreign interference into the presidential election. I am concerned that neighboring countries will try to create instability so that this democracy doesn't succeed, just like I'm deeply concerned that there's been murder on the streets of Beirut, including Saad Hariri's dad, and that the international community must follow through in an expeditious way -- must follow through quickly in holding -- in having an international tribunal, so that those who murdered -- so that the facts come out and those who murdered would be held to account.
There's just too many parliamentarians who are trying to
work for a peaceful
Thirdly, I told Saad Hariri that I sent one of our top
military men into
This is a very difficult situation. I'm hopeful that, obviously, the presidency will be resolved and that a unified government can move forward. Saad Hariri shared with me the strategy of the March 14th coalition, and I was more than willing to listen. I assured him and I assure the Lebanese people that we want to help you succeed.
Q- Mr. President, are we able to say today, for example to the Lebanese people -- and we know that the United States is the most powerful constituency in Lebanon -- can we say to the Lebanese people that you, specifically, Mr. President, will prevent any foreign interference in Lebanon that could be imposed from the outside and have a President that is being promoted by outside force?
THE PRESIDENT: I think maybe that's a promise that I'm not
sure I could keep, because the one thing that we did was we worked with
And the other thing is, is that I think it's going to be
an important signal to send -- is this tribunal. The international community
said we ought to have a tribunal. I'm frustrated, frankly, by the pace at which
the tribunal is lingering -- it's not moving. There needs to be a definitive
moment where the evidence is laid out, and if it's clear evidence -- in other
words, if somebody's guilty, they ought to be held to account so that murder is
not -- so that there's this clear signal that murder is not going to be
accepted. The brave souls of
And that ought to send a clear message to people
throughout the world that it is so important for those of us who live in free
societies to support brave people who are promoting liberty. This man wanted
nothing more than the Lebanese mom to be able to raise her child in peace. And
yet somebody ordered or somebody followed through with cold-blooded murder to
deny those dreams for the Lebanese people. And the same thing is happening in
Q- Mr. President, of course I cannot conclude this
interview without asking the most important question, that is the issue of
THE PRESIDENT: I believe in my soul, in my heart, that not only is it necessary that there be two states living side by side in order to achieve peace, but it's possible. I'm very optimistic we can achieve a two-state solution.
First, Prime Minister Olmert and President Abbas are committed to a two-state solution and are making progress. We've done a lot of dialogue between the two men, and they are making progress. And they're making progress that I believe where the average Palestinian and average Israeli will begin to see what a vision looks like. In other words, something to work for; something that's more tangible than just a Rose Garden speech by the President or hopeful comments by others; something real.
Secondly, that, you know we're hosting a international conference that will be attended by interested parties -- the Arab League, you know, important Arab League group will be there, a committee will be there from the Arab League. And it's an opportunity for there to be a serious, substantive discussions about the way forward, and a two-state solution. A lot of it is going to be empower both parties -- give them confidence to follow through on the vision.
I also want you to know that I fully understand the
two-state solution is a part of a comprehensive peace in the Middle East, and
that our strategy is to get all concerned countries to the table; to get this
comprehensive peace moving forward in a way that is tangible and real, so
people can see it. In other words, I'm not interested in just a photo
opportunity, and I don't think anybody else is going to be interested in that.
I really want to see if we can advance the progress. Step one was for there to
be a commitment by
And step two is a commitment to the road map. In other
words, nobody is going to want have a state that becomes a launching pad for
attack. The Palestinians, the average Palestinian doesn't want that, and surely
the Abbas government doesn't -- and
And so we've got -- we got to work a lot with the Palestinians to help their security forces -- and we are -- and to help the President and the Prime Minister with economic aid, tangible economic aid so the average Palestinian can see a better life ahead, can realize there's something better than violence. And so I am very optimistic about it, about the prospects for peace.
Q- Mr. President, on behalf of myself and Al Arabiya TV, I would like to thank you very much for this opportunity. You were very generous with us on time; I know you have a very hectic schedule. Thank you very much for this opportunity. And I hope to meet with you again when you also are in a position to achieve some of our democracy in our region. Thank you, sir.